Hi Carsten, another problem is the url. Ask 10 people in a supermarket what a url is... no one knows what it is. And no one knows how to get a url to work with openID. You and I know do, but that is not good enough. Really openID should create an ID repository without a url which you can claim and just use. I have stopped using it :) I use Facebook for nearly everything because it is easy peasy (And I can hide behind the fact that facebook is an openID supporter/provider). I know the openID guys are trying to move openID up to a next level, but I think it has fallen so behind, facebook has really moved ahead. The possibility of getting a broad support base has been lost imo :(
Carsten Pötter
· 3 months ago
Don, admittedly not many people know what a URL is. But studies have shown that e.g. MySpace users identify themselves with their profile URL.
Anyway, I hope that someday it won't matter what people type into a login screen: email, profile names, URLs,...
Joss Winn
· 3 months ago
Sxipper and Weave for Firefox remember OpenIDs and prefill forms.
Carsten Pötter
· 3 months ago
You're right about Sxipper (never checked Weave). Almost forgot about it since I'm running Safari most of the time. Sxipper is a decent way to fill forms, even OpenID login boxes. Would be great though, if it was available for other browsers as well. Or even better, if it (or a similar technology) was built directly into browsers.
snirgel
· 3 months ago
your right, the login with openid is much slowlier than username and password and the slowliest of all options. but i like rpx very much, because the registration-process is soooooooooo easy and cool, also for non-advanced-users AND especially rpx-now kills the 'url-remember-problem', because everybody knows facebook or twitter. Ok, thats not an openid-login, but the normal user doesnt care about naming, she don't know what an openid is and she must not. For me rpx makes a big step in future, because you can signup and signin with known ACCOUNTS and nobody askes: openWHAT?. The second great thing: u don't need a password for registration. I think u and me are one of less people who use the openid-button in rpx and so its ok, that it is slowly. Sorry for so much celebrating rpx, i know u talked about urls, performance and openid, but i'm so inspired about this service :)
Carsten Pötter
· 3 months ago
Let me get this straight, I like RPX as well. And I certainly don't want to criticize it. It's a great product which - as you already mentioned - helps non-savvy people using accounts they already have.
I'm also aware that RPX is loading from the JanRain servers and not from Yiid's servers. So this probably explains why it is loading slower than the rest of the website.
snirgel
· 3 months ago
sure...was only a celebrating to rpx from me and not critizing your post. i agree with you 100%
David Collantes
· 3 months ago
Slightly related, and unrelated... The main OpenID problem was and still is: too many providers, too few consumers.
Carsten Pötter
· 3 months ago
I think it's just a temporary problem. The number of providers will decrease because there aren't many business opportunities for smaller providers, I think. Of course, the number of consumers has to rise as well. But with currently more than 50,000 sites things don't look so bad.
Im probably late on this, but better late then never, anyway, it greatly depends on the service, and the implementation, Yahoo users can just type yahoo.com on the consumers that support openid 2.0 (another problem is the versioning system, with some providers only supporting one version over another, and some identities not even working on some, it becomes a prerequisite to have multiples in those cases, though people usually have multiple IM's like yahoo and aol, and that can alievate the problem, and typekey, even though its a good service, sometimes doesn't load up. overall I think more need to work on supporting directed identity, and work on showing it as a service based system, not an individual one. its easier to click a yahoo or aol button and enter a screen name, then it is to complicate things with a website address, even if it isn't particulerly hard.
Carsten Pötter
· 3 months ago
Directed Identity makes typing in the OpenID URL rather easy, of course. By the way, Yahoo! is also an option at RPX. Yiid just chose to present other providers on its login screen.
murciamarketing
· 2 months ago
I´ve noticed improvements to the RPX UI recently that make the login smoother. This idea: emailtoid.net addresses some of the issues surrounding incorrect input by users of URL v email.
murciamarketing
· 2 months ago
looks like emailtoid.net is or better said was part of the now defunct Vidoop !
Indeed, RPX has made it easier for users to log in. It remembers the OpenID Provider users usually use and only presents this provider when users return.
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Anyway, I hope that someday it won't matter what people type into a login screen: email, profile names, URLs,...
but i like rpx very much, because the registration-process is soooooooooo easy and cool, also for non-advanced-users AND especially rpx-now kills the 'url-remember-problem', because everybody knows facebook or twitter.
Ok, thats not an openid-login, but the normal user doesnt care about naming, she don't know what an openid is and she must not. For me rpx makes a big step in future, because you can signup and signin with known ACCOUNTS and nobody askes: openWHAT?. The second great thing: u don't need a password for registration.
I think u and me are one of less people who use the openid-button in rpx and so its ok, that it is slowly. Sorry for so much celebrating rpx, i know u talked about urls, performance and openid, but i'm so inspired about this service :)
I'm also aware that RPX is loading from the JanRain servers and not from Yiid's servers. So this probably explains why it is loading slower than the rest of the website.
OpenID Logins Take too Long http://is.gd/37xEO
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anyway, it greatly depends on the service, and the implementation,
Yahoo users can just type yahoo.com on the consumers that support openid 2.0 (another problem is the versioning system, with some providers only supporting one version over another, and some identities not even working on some, it becomes a prerequisite to have multiples in those cases, though people usually have multiple IM's like yahoo and aol, and that can alievate the problem, and typekey, even though its a good service, sometimes doesn't load up.
overall I think more need to work on supporting directed identity, and work on showing it as a service based system, not an individual one.
its easier to click a yahoo or aol button and enter a screen name, then it is to complicate things with a website address, even if it isn't particulerly hard.
Indeed, RPX has made it easier for users to log in. It remembers the OpenID Provider users usually use and only presents this provider when users return.